Robert Moss: ‘If You Want To Be A Shaman, Start At The Breakfast Table’
If You Want To Be A Shaman, Start At The Breakfast Table
Robert Moss: ‘If You Want To Be A Shaman, Start At The Breakfast Table’Jul 03
“One should share their dreams with others right away in the morning. One can use my Lightning Dreamwork process. First, the person shares the dream without being interrupted. Then each person shares their thoughts about the dream by saying, “If it were my dream,” not presuming to tell the person what the dream means in an objective way. Lastly, the dreamer is helped to make an action plan for embodying the energy and guidance from the dream.”
— Robert Moss
“I have never met anyone who is addicted to alcohol who isn’t drinking for a lot of dead spirits!”
— Robert Moss
If You Want To Be A Shaman, Start At The Breakfast Table
An Interview with Dreamer Robert Moss
By Krysta Gibson
New Spirit Journal
He calls it “active dreaming” and has written nine books on the dreaming process. Robert Moss’ most recent is Dreaming the Soul Back Home – Shamanic Dreaming for Healing and Becoming Whole (New World Library) and in it he shares ideas and techniques for reclaiming the lost part of ourselves, our soul.
Krysta: I suspect many of our readers and listeners have worked with their dreams. For myself, there have been times I recorded my dreams and tried to work with them but became overloaded with the complex symbols offered by most books on dreams. I think you teach something a little different, don’t you?
Robert: What I’m talking about is fun. It’s every day, it’s high energy, and it gives you guidance and healing for your life. It puts a fizz of magic into the air. I’m not just talking about analyzing symbols from a dream but bringing the dream into life. I’m talking about seeing the world around you as a waking dream where the symbols and synchronicities will speak to you if you pay attention. That’s why I call it active dreaming because it’s about getting active with all our dreams can be.
KG: Can you talk about soul loss and soul recovery?
RM: On a visceral level, most of us know what soul loss means. This is the shaman’s diagnosis of the root cause of many of our complaints: our lack of energy, our fatigue, our depression, why our immune systems are blown, why we lack enthusiasm and courage for life. When bad things happen, part of us might go away. It’s a survival technique. You can’t stand to be around when there’s so much grief or pain in your life so part of you goes away. Shamans call this soul loss.
Shamans like my friend Sandra Ingerman come at this from what they call soul retrieval. The shaman makes a journey, finds the part of you that is lost, tries to get it back and into your body.
Soul recovery, I think, is much richer and more helpful. Instead of having a shaman retrieve our soul for us, we help each other to become the shamans and healers of our own soul.
KG: When you say, “If you want to be a shaman, start at the breakfast table.” What does that mean?
RM: One should share their dreams with others right away in the morning. One can use my Lightning Dreamwork process. First, the person shares the dream without being interrupted. Then each person shares their thoughts about the dream by saying, “If it were my dream,” not presuming to tell the person what the dream means in an objective way. Lastly, the dreamer is helped to make an action plan for embodying the energy and guidance from the dream.
KG: You talk about our living parallel lives in alternate realities. What’s that about?
RM: I work with this a lot in my workshops. It is fascinating. Physics is now saying we might be living in one of an infinite number of parallel universes. We can learn practical and creative things to do with the information. Suppose you have a parallel self who has made different choices, who is following a different event track since you made certain choices in your life. Maybe you can reach to that self and borrow gifts and lessons from that self and maybe even help them on their road.
This relates to the concept of time and our ability as dreamers to reach across time to a past or future self and do some good. This is very important as it relates to soul loss and soul recovery. What if you could reach back to your four-year old or 14-year-old who’s having a difficult time and reassure them, saying it is all going to be okay. What if you could go into her mind and give her courage and mentoring and counseling that she really needs. You could say, “I know it looks bad now but the day is going to come when you will look back on this and know it was all okay, that you won’t be vulnerable in this way.” I believe we can do this for our younger souls. I know I’ve done it for mine, and I know a lot of others have done it.
KG: I like to call it folding time. Maybe some people who went through tough situations did okay because they did do this.
RM: It is difficult to wrap your mind around this intellectually and until you’ve had the experience, it can be difficult to understand. I tell people to give it a shot; you have nothing to lose.
KG: The worst that can happen is you’ll be exactly where you are now.
RM: That’s right.
KG: In your most recent book, you talk about the connection to our ancestors. You say we have to clear unhealthy legacies and energy attachments. What do you mean by this?
RM: Our ancestors are looking for us even if we’re not looking for them. And by our ancestors I mean our bloodlines and the ancestors of the place where we live and our spiritual kin who go beyond our biological families. We could be walking around carrying an entire ancestral history of the wrong kind for us.
On a psychic level, we could be carrying energies and entities and cravings and habits and confusion and patterns of behavior from generation to generation that we don’t want. We could also have picked up loose energies or entities from places we visit or live, and this could be very confusing. It could reinforce or even produce addictions and cravings that don’t really belong to us.
We need to consider ancestral cleansing. If we’re willing to clear our energy fields of the ancestral energies we don’t want, then we are ready to do something really interesting and beautiful which is to claim a connection with the wisdom of the kinds of ancestors we do want to be in contact with. But we can’t do this until we’ve cleaned out the lower stuff that is hindering us.
KG: In your book, you tell some great stories about people who were addicted because of this sort of energy.
RM: I have never met anyone who is addicted to alcohol who isn’t drinking for a lot of dead spirits! There are chemical and other explanations for addictions, but speaking from my own observations (and I am a shamanic type), there is always some sort of disembodied spirit causing some of the addiction, riding your energy field, trying to impose their needs and addictions onto you. Choices are our choices so I am not taking away anyone’s personal choice, but we run into difficulty when we’re having choices made for us rather than making our own.
KG: Does this give some people an excuse? They could say, “I can’t help drinking; all these entities are making me do it. Uncle Fred is making me drink.”
RM: People can glum onto all sorts of things. And some might use this in that way instead of taking personal responsibility for their lives. But if you discover the addiction is not all your own, you can ask, “Do I want to drink or smoke on behalf of Uncle Fred? Or do I realize I need to get rid of Uncle Fred and live my own life.”